Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

···

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

···

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
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Tel: 212 304 7132


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If iHRIS is updated regularly at district/sub-county levels (quarterly) it is more reliable and using DSL you could import aggregated data into DHIS2 and overlay the indicators; However, major subsystems of HIS i.e. HRH, Finance, equipment logistics ( health products and technologies) infrastructure are weak and not updated;

A paradigm shift for this need be cultivated among the health information managers to collect from all the health information sources and use DHIS2 as the main aggregate system;

regards

PEPELA WANJALA

MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS

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AFYA HOUSE, LG 37

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···

From: Laura E. Lincks laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu
To: DHIS Users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; DHIS 2 Developers list dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:31 PM
Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
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Tel: 212 304 7132


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Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

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On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
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Tel: 212 304 7132


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Dear Laura,

I help to oversee the iHRIS software. We have done a lot of work on integrating iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.

Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager. We would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.

Cheers,

-carl

Assoc. Director, Digital Health

IntraHealth International

Skype: litlfred_intra

Google: litlfred@gmail.com

···

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

···

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle


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On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

···

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA

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Cell: +27-82-853-5352

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Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo

···

From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com; Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Hi Laura,
I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while working for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided technical assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send monthly summaries to the MOH dhis2 system.

rgds

David

···

2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org:

Dear Laura,

I help to oversee the iHRIS software. We have done a lot of work on integrating iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.

Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager. We would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.

Cheers,

-carl

Assoc. Director, Digital Health

IntraHealth International

Skype: litlfred_intra

Google: litlfred@gmail.com

On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Yes, for counties that are running the system is working well though need be integrated into the DHIS2 to get the aggregate information;

Otherwise David has worked in supporting the DHIS2 in Kenya and he is more efficient;

PEPELA WANJALA

MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS

HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN

AFYA HOUSE, LG 37

P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA

TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097

**CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 **

EMAIL: wanjala2p@yahoo.com, wanjala2p@gmail.com

** his@health.go.ke, **meunitmoh@gmail.com

* *"HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”

···

From: David Muturi dnmuturi@gmail.com
To: Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org
Cc: DHIS Users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; John Liebhardt jliebhardt@intrahealth.org; Carl Leitner cleitner@intrahealth.org; DHIS 2 Developers list dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Hi Laura,
I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while working for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided technical assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send monthly summaries to the MOH dhis2 system.

rgds

David

2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org:

Dear Laura,

I help to oversee the iHRIS software. We have done a lot of work on integrating iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.

Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager. We would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.

Cheers,

-carl

Assoc. Director, Digital Health

IntraHealth International

Skype: litlfred_intra

Google: litlfred@gmail.com

On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks <laura.lincks@icap.columbia. edu> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Hey Arthur,

Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

···

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Lungo

Good to hear from you … long time no see

Thanks for this … can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards

Arthur

···

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo


From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com; Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

···

On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


Calle Hedberg

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

···

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this .... can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo

________________________________
From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
<dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com>;
Seleman Ally <seleman_ally@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and
then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed >> > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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Hi all,

In Sierra Leone we successfully deployed both applications and it was a success but we had an intermediary connection which is the facility register, which is this case helps us to synchronize the facility list between both applications. Normally, iHRIS gives the full background information of staff within each facilities which can be useful for analysis during disease outbreak or even as part an indicator.

Furthermore, our iHRIS was empowered using mHERO, which is two-way SMS connection between iHRIS and health workers. They could update their profile in iHRIS or receive alter of outbreak or even medical instructions from their leads.

···

On Oct 8, 2016 5:45 AM, “Bob Jolliffe” bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this

has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from

Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which

could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use

as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of

health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with

processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators

of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits

start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think

there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl “wisdom” that has done the rounds over the past few

years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I

am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the

problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex

because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc …

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:

  1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this

sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has

obvious limits and I don’t believe can serve as the basis of long term

strategy to solve all problems

  1. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as

the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they

would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the

physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can

diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of

MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for

example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be

made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved

for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems

on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk

demons.

Cheers

Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Lungo

Good to hear from you … long time no see

Thanks for this … can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL

implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make

integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards

Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress *(Frank Zappa)

Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many

countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely

with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo


From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com

To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com

Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs

dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com;

Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System

to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus

is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get

back to you.

Regards

Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com

wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human

Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi

districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to

our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and

then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far

you have progressed?

Cheers

a

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress *(Frank

Zappa)

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Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in

Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell

you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing

Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for

internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with

DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including

position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.

Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are

processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration

will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user

registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular

since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on

a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease

notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track

the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to

track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a

bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where

they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to

do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could

be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and

how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to

help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed

u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS

aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it

needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be

associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An

Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these

packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks

Database Manager/Developer

ICAP - Columbia University

Mailman School of Public Health

60 Haven Ave, Floor B1

New York, NY 10032

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Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

···

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur


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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
Global DHIS2 Implementation| HISP Uganda/University Of Oslo
+256 752 751 776 | +256 776 139 139

prosper@hispuganda.org | prosper@dhis2.org | Skype: prospertb

Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald’s case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo

···

From: Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com; dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com" calle.hedberg@gmail.com; dhis2-devs dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl “wisdom” that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc …

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:

  1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
    sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
    obvious limits and I don’t believe can serve as the basis of long term
    strategy to solve all problems
  2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
    the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
    would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
    physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
    diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
    MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
    example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
    made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you … long time no see
Thanks for this … can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress (Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania
+255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo


From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs
dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com;
Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com >> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human
Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi
districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and
then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress (Frank
Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania
+255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with
DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed >> > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132


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Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

···

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility
attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo

________________________________
From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
<dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com"
<calle.hedberg@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to
integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this .... can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working
closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo

________________________________
From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
<dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com>;
Seleman Ally <seleman_ally@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc)
and
then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how
far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> >>> wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able
to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc),
and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed >>> > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database.
An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
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Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list? They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode

···

On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
facility
attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo

________________________________
From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
<dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com"
<calle.hedberg@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
to
integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >> wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this .... can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working
closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo

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From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
<dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas
<gerald17006@gmail.com>;
Seleman Ally <seleman_ally@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc)
and
then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how
far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
DHIS2
on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not
to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and
a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are,
where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able
to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc),
and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" >>>> <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed >>>> > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
now
it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to
be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database.
An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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Hi Kayode

I think they can.

It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
hmis. Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
mind.

But absolutely nothing which can't be addressed through "local
arrangements and understandings"

···

On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote <odusote.kayode@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list? They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode

On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
facility
attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo

________________________________
From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
<dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com"
<calle.hedberg@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
to
integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>> wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this .... can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlungo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working
closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo

________________________________
From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com>
Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
<dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas
<gerald17006@gmail.com>;
Seleman Ally <seleman_ally@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc)
and
then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how
far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
DHIS2
on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not
to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and
a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are,
where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able
to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc),
and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" >>>>> <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed >>>>> > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
now
it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to
be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database.
An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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