Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Hi all,

At this point, the challenges in integrating DHIS2 and iHRIS for indicators are pretty much entirely related to governance and coordination. The technological tools are there (and they are getting simpler and simpler to use). If anyone is wanting help in these areas, please reach out to us (IntraHealth) and we should be able to find a way to support you with the tools and provide further guidance.

The main challenges in order of complexity, as I see them, are:

  • Often the HR and HMIS units do not work in close co-ordination. The information needs for the HR unit (and other similar stakeholders) are different than for the HMIS unit. If there is no formal platform (e.g. a TWG) for these groups to coordinate on and jointly own issues related to information needs and the associated data exchange needed to support this, than any attempt to have sustainable data exchange will be dead in the water. This, in my opinion, is the major point of failure.

  • Lack of agreement of facility lists, as has already been mentioned. There are a couple of situations here:

  • One system (e.g. DHIS2) becomes the authority for the facility data. In this case, there is existing tooling for iHRIS to load in DHIS2 facility data using a third piece of standards compliant software (more on that below) to handle the data management, an “InterLinked Registry". This situation can be problematic, as Kayode alludes to, if the two systems do not agree on what is a facility. The set of facilities from an HR perspective is larger than the set of facilities that provide clinical services, for example.

  • DHIS2 and iHRIS each maintain their own independent facility lists. This is the most common scenario and occurs when the HMIS unit does not agree to adopt all of the facilities that are required for the HR unit. In this case, we need to ensure that the iHRIS facilities can cross-reference the DHIS2 facilities. There is significant tooling on this already, again using third piece of standards compliant software. Note, on the OpenHIE InterLinked Registry call this Wednesday (see below), Ally will be showing us some of the facility matching/de-duplication tools he developed for Sierra Leone and now extended to be used in other contexts. Jembi has also worked on a lot of tooling to help automate and monitor the synchronization processes through the OpenHIM software.

  • There is a third party facility registry that both DHIS2 and iHRIS should synchronize with. This is a pretty uncommon scenario.

  • Lack of agreement on the cadre, job or other health worker classification to report on. There are three types of stakeholders here, and usually each has a different set of classifications for health workers they are interested in. These stakeholders are the HMIS unit with DHIS2, the HR unit with software like iHRIS Manage, and the professional councils with software like iHRIS Qualify. iHRIS Manage will give you the currently deployed health workers, while iHRIS Qualify would give you total number of available/licensed (though not necessarily deployed) health workers. There are a couple of other HRIS systems that are also coming: iHRIS Train which is used to manage information a national picture on the health workers graduating from academic institutions and the iHRIS Community Health Worker Registry.

    Because of this multiple types of classification, we often need to map the cadres from the source HRIS system into the cadres required for the HMIS/DHIS2. This mapping can be handled within the HRIS system or can be handled through the use of a Terminology Service (TS) which handles mapping between terminologies. Though a TS is a bit more overhead, I think it would be warranted in a country such as Nigeria with many HRISs (one for state and one for each professional council) and which is already contemplating a TS as part of their larger eHealth Architecture.

  • Finally, there is a technical challenge in that the DHIS2 API changes over time with different versions of DHIS2. The risks here are contained when we use open international standards for data exchange. Right now we support the “Care Services Discovery (CSD)” standard for exchange of the facility and org unit hierarchy between the systems. In the coming year we will see support for the more modern and RESTful FHIR standard. For data reporting into DHIS2, we need to make better use of the ADX standard to help mitigate issues w/ DHIS2 API changes. Though the the necessary tooling isn’t in place quite yet, I think we will see it over the next year.

  • Documentation. Because these tools have evolved over time, and because the scenarios have a fairly wide range, we don’t have yet a complete tutorial on all the needed steps. There is partial documentation, but it needs a bit of tender loving care.

Note, that we are trying to pull together a training/workshop to address exactly these issues (and explore what you can than do with the data) just after the upcoming DHIS2 academy in Tanzania. More on that as the plans become more concrete. We certainly would have the documentation improved by then :wink:

Nothing in the above is particularly special to iHRIS and DHIS2 and are applicable to any HRIS and HMIS. In Zimbabwe they are going through the same considerations, though they don’t use iHRIS.

Cheers,

-carl

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On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Kayode

I think they can.

It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
hmis. Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
mind.

But absolutely nothing which can’t be addressed through “local
arrangements and understandings”

On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote odusote.kayode@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can’t offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list? They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode

On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
facility
attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald’s case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo


From: Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com; dhis2-users
dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com"
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Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
to
integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl “wisdom” that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc …

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:

  1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
    sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
    obvious limits and I don’t believe can serve as the basis of long term
    strategy to solve all problems
  2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
    the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
    would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
    physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
    diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
    MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
    example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
    made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com > > > > wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you … long time no see
Thanks for this … can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working
closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo


From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs
dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas
gerald17006@gmail.com;
Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human
Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi
districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc)
and
then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how
far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

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Zappa)
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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated
with
DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
DHIS2
on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not
to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and
a
bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are,
where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able
to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc),
and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” > > > > > > <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed > > > > > > > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
now
it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to
be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database.
An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
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Prosper

good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur


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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
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Tel: 212 304 7132


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From: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
To: Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com; dhis2-devs dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
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Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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Hi Carl

Well put … the major challenge is certainly NOT a technological one - that is (as usual) the easiest

To go back to my old favorite, the PRISM framework, it is the

  • organisational / managerial determinants (Standard operating procedures, facility lists, reporting procedures etc)
  • behavioural determinants (coordination between departments, demand for data etc)
    Once these are sorted, the technical part is easy

r

MY feeling is that we should sit down clearly and identify what OUTPUTS (indicators, data elements for ) we need for RBF and other HR management and analysis tools tools … and THEN see how we can most easily collect the necessary data …

To do this we need a

  • clear vision from the various MoHs and NGOs (particularly UNICEF) whether they really want to do RBF … and if there is a common vision we make a
  • plan (with associated budget) and
  • test this out in a few countries (e.g. Zanzibar)
    Can we start moving towards this for the january workshop??

cheers

A

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On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hi all,

At this point, the challenges in integrating DHIS2 and iHRIS for indicators are pretty much entirely related to governance and coordination. The technological tools are there (and they are getting simpler and simpler to use). If anyone is wanting help in these areas, please reach out to us (IntraHealth) and we should be able to find a way to support you with the tools and provide further guidance.

The main challenges in order of complexity, as I see them, are:

  • Often the HR and HMIS units do not work in close co-ordination. The information needs for the HR unit (and other similar stakeholders) are different than for the HMIS unit. If there is no formal platform (e.g. a TWG) for these groups to coordinate on and jointly own issues related to information needs and the associated data exchange needed to support this, than any attempt to have sustainable data exchange will be dead in the water. This, in my opinion, is the major point of failure.

  • Lack of agreement of facility lists, as has already been mentioned. There are a couple of situations here:

  • One system (e.g. DHIS2) becomes the authority for the facility data. In this case, there is existing tooling for iHRIS to load in DHIS2 facility data using a third piece of standards compliant software (more on that below) to handle the data management, an “InterLinked Registry". This situation can be problematic, as Kayode alludes to, if the two systems do not agree on what is a facility. The set of facilities from an HR perspective is larger than the set of facilities that provide clinical services, for example.

  • DHIS2 and iHRIS each maintain their own independent facility lists. This is the most common scenario and occurs when the HMIS unit does not agree to adopt all of the facilities that are required for the HR unit. In this case, we need to ensure that the iHRIS facilities can cross-reference the DHIS2 facilities. There is significant tooling on this already, again using third piece of standards compliant software. Note, on the OpenHIE InterLinked Registry call this Wednesday (see below), Ally will be showing us some of the facility matching/de-duplication tools he developed for Sierra Leone and now extended to be used in other contexts. Jembi has also worked on a lot of tooling to help automate and monitor the synchronization processes through the OpenHIM software.

  • There is a third party facility registry that both DHIS2 and iHRIS should synchronize with. This is a pretty uncommon scenario.

  • Lack of agreement on the cadre, job or other health worker classification to report on. There are three types of stakeholders here, and usually each has a different set of classifications for health workers they are interested in. These stakeholders are the HMIS unit with DHIS2, the HR unit with software like iHRIS Manage, and the professional councils with software like iHRIS Qualify. iHRIS Manage will give you the currently deployed health workers, while iHRIS Qualify would give you total number of available/licensed (though not necessarily deployed) health workers. There are a couple of other HRIS systems that are also coming: iHRIS Train which is used to manage information a national picture on the health workers graduating from academic institutions and the iHRIS Community Health Worker Registry.

    Because of this multiple types of classification, we often need to map the cadres from the source HRIS system into the cadres required for the HMIS/DHIS2. This mapping can be handled within the HRIS system or can be handled through the use of a Terminology Service (TS) which handles mapping between terminologies. Though a TS is a bit more overhead, I think it would be warranted in a country such as Nigeria with many HRISs (one for state and one for each professional council) and which is already contemplating a TS as part of their larger eHealth Architecture.

  • Finally, there is a technical challenge in that the DHIS2 API changes over time with different versions of DHIS2. The risks here are contained when we use open international standards for data exchange. Right now we support the “Care Services Discovery (CSD)” standard for exchange of the facility and org unit hierarchy between the systems. In the coming year we will see support for the more modern and RESTful FHIR standard. For data reporting into DHIS2, we need to make better use of the ADX standard to help mitigate issues w/ DHIS2 API changes. Though the the necessary tooling isn’t in place quite yet, I think we will see it over the next year.

  • Documentation. Because these tools have evolved over time, and because the scenarios have a fairly wide range, we don’t have yet a complete tutorial on all the needed steps. There is partial documentation, but it needs a bit of tender loving care.

Note, that we are trying to pull together a training/workshop to address exactly these issues (and explore what you can than do with the data) just after the upcoming DHIS2 academy in Tanzania. More on that as the plans become more concrete. We certainly would have the documentation improved by then :wink:

Nothing in the above is particularly special to iHRIS and DHIS2 and are applicable to any HRIS and HMIS. In Zimbabwe they are going through the same considerations, though they don’t use iHRIS.

Cheers,

-carl

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On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Kayode

I think they can.

It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
hmis. Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
mind.

But absolutely nothing which can’t be addressed through “local
arrangements and understandings”

On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote odusote.kayode@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can’t offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list? They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode

On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Lungo
Good to hear from you … long time no see
Thanks for this … can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

I would recommend iHRIS.

It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
countries and it is being supported by an active community working
closely
with DHIS2 developers.

Lungo


From: Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; dhis2-devs
dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net; gerald thomas
gerald17006@gmail.com;
Seleman Ally seleman_ally@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
System
to integrate with DHIS

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human
Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi
districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc)
and
then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how
far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated
with
DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
DHIS2
on
a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not
to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and
a
bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are,
where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able
to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could
be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc),
and
how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” > > > > > > > <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed > > > > > > > > wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
now
it
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to
be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database.
An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Dear Arthur,

Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
facility
attributes from external database easier.

See Gerald’s case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.

Best regards,

Lungo


From: Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com
To: Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com
Cc: Juma Lungo jlungo@yahoo.com; dhis2-users
dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net; "calle.hedberg@gmail.com"
calle.hedberg@gmail.com; dhis2-devs dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
to
integrate with DHIS

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl “wisdom” that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I
am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :slight_smile: Add more with LMIS etc …

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:

  1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
    sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
    obvious limits and I don’t believe can serve as the basis of long term
    strategy to solve all problems
  2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
    the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they
    would :slight_smile: Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
    physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
    diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
    MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
    example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
    made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

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Wanjala …

VERY good start for a standard list

Can you share it with us please

Regards

Arthur

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To: Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com
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Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Regards

Raphael

···

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Please share

···

On 10/11/16, Raphael Pundo <rpundo@gmail.com> wrote:

All,
In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data)
with DHIS2 using the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can
provide more info

Regards
Raphael

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> > wrote:

Prosper
good to know .....
BUT
On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
data ..... UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data
...
yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one
place ......

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis ..... I hope
this
January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers
A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT <ptb3000@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed
to
integrate iHRS data yet.

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>> wrote:

Carl
We do not need detailed data .... what was described as "core HRHIS" is
more than good enough .... aggregate data with no details so that we can
do
workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using
imported
data
I would really like to see this in practice somewhere .... any ideas
where this integration is actually working already?

Regards
Arthur

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*(Frank Zappa)*
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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner <litlfred@ibiblio.org> wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on
doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such
as
iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health
worker
information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,
-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find
out
and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our
MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt
it
to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs
etc)
and then feed back into the development process ....interesting to
know
how far you have progressed?

Cheers
a

*****Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
*(Frank Zappa)*
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Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for
managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are
applying for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly
integrated
with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR
resources
including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and
contact
details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc
are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
DHIS2
on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to
track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery,
and
not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment
history
and a bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they
are,
where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they
are
able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing
etc, but
it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain
diseases
etc), and how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am
willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" < >>>>>>>> laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with
a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the
HRIS, but
for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel
will
need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS
aggregate
database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRHIS>in Tanzania developed
by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS <http://www.ihris.org/> developed by global Capacity
Project.

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with
these packages or if there were other applications that could be of
use to
us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

*Laura E. Lincks*
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
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Raphael

This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and then have the two softwares talking to each other …

My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?..

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?

  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?

  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??

  • workload… SA

  • ???
    Regards

Arthur

···

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur


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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


Calle Hedberg

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Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472

Cell: +27-82-853-5352

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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Dear Arthur,

Below are some of responses:

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
    Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked. Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators

  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
    So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis

  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Regards,

Raphael

···

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Raphael
This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and then have the two softwares talking to each other …

My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?..

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
  • workload… SA
  • ???
    Regards

Arthur

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo rpundo@gmail.com wrote:

All,
In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data) with DHIS2 using the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can provide more info

Regards

Raphael


**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
Skype arthur_heywood_za

Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur


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+256 752 751 776 | +256 776 139 139

prosper@hispuganda.org | prosper@dhis2.org | Skype: prospertb

**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:

[http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf](http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf)

Cheers,

-carl

···

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Raphael
This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and then have the two softwares talking to each other …

My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?..

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
  • workload… SA
  • ???
    Regards

Arthur

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo rpundo@gmail.com wrote:

All,
In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data) with DHIS2 using the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can provide more info

Regards

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

<Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>

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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf

it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:

http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf

Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.

Cheers,

-carl

···

On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Wanjala …
VERY good start for a standard list

Can you share it with us please

Regards

Arthur

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iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share common cadres of staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;

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Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

<Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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Carl

this is a good start … we will obviously only need a fraction of these indicators, but the ones we use should conform to the standards and formats outlined here

Cheers

A

···

On 14 October 2016 at 21:28, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:
http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo rpundo@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Below are some of responses:

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
    Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked. Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators
  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
    So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Regards,

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Raphael
This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and then have the two softwares talking to each other …

My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?..

  • do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
  • are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
  • If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
    Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
  • workload… SA
  • ???
    Regards

Arthur

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo rpundo@gmail.com wrote:

All,
In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data) with DHIS2 using the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can provide more info

Regards

Raphael


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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

<Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>

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Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur


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Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a


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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

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I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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Database Manager/Developer
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Carl

again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow

As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on professional staff … so these will be the main ones we will need to import into DHIS2

Regards

Arthur

···

On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf

it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:

http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf

Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.

Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Wanjala …
VERY good start for a standard list

Can you share it with us please

Regards

Arthur

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela wanjala2p@yahoo.com wrote:

iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share common cadres of staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;

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Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

<Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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One of the difficulties in getting iHRIS->DHIS2 reporting done is getting the UIDs of the right indicators (and disaggreagators). Perhaps it would be nice to have WHO indicators easily installable to DHIS2 with fixed UIDs and disaggregated by gender.

I know it’s not quite the intention for the apps, but perhaps we can do something with an app to install the metadata and perhaps a few sample graphs?

Cheers,

-carl

···

On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf

it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:

http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf

Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.

Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Wanjala …
VERY good start for a standard list

Can you share it with us please

Regards

Arthur

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela wanjala2p@yahoo.com wrote:

iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share common cadres of staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;

PEPELA WANJALA

MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS

HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN

AFYA HOUSE, LG 37

P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA

TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097

**CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 **

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Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

Prosper
good to know …

BUT

On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data … UNICEF is proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data … yet there is no automatically genersted quality / usable HR data in one place …

Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis … I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity

Cheers

A

On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT ptb3000@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arthur,

For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.

<Screen Shot 2016-10-08 at 9.13.42 AM.png>

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Carl

We do not need detailed data … what was described as “core HRHIS” is more than good enough … aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data

I would really like to see this in practice somewhere … any ideas where this integration is actually working already?

Regards

Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner litlfred@ibiblio.org wrote:

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this. If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,

-carl

On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Arthur,

I’m not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” <laura.lincks@icap.columbia.ed u> wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

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Hello Arthur - this is an interesting prospect. I’ll explore with Calle and the NDoH folk to see what they feel comfortable with.

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On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Arthur Heywood arthurheywood@gmail.com wrote:

Calle

In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a “core” Human Resource HMIS … mainly to do some “Bottleneck analysis” for our MDGi districts …

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) and then feed back into the development process …interesting to know how far you have progressed?

Cheers

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Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs “within” DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a “core” workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By “core” I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other “personal” things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.

Regards

Calle


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On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas gerald17006@gmail.com wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.


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On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, “Laura E. Lincks” laura.lincks@icap.columbia.edu wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:

HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam

iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
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