Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/77757/dhis2
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
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Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
Regards
Calle
On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
–
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Hi Calle,
I would agree with you and have acknowledged this as you say. However, since a large part of the documentation has been developed purely as a volunteer effort, it is what it is. As I also epxlained in the workshop last summer (and several times on this list) the documents are open source, you are free (as are all) to contribute to improving them.The core team will be improving the documents gradually, as there is now central support ffor this, and issues on GtitHub are most welcome. But like I said, if you do not like what is there, feel free to get involved.
Also, if you do not want to participate in the Stack Exchange, there is no need to. We are trying this as a bit of experiment, and if it works, great, if it does not, then we can consider other route. However, StackExchange is a great resource for many technical communities, and it does not necessarily need to be limited to “techie” discussion. It is quite a difficult process to even get accepted into the site, but if we do, then it could potentially be a great resource for the community .
Best regards,
Jason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
Regards
Calle
–
On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
Jason,
It’s not that I don’t WANT to write documentation - I’ve written a lot of DHIS documentation since designing DHIS 1.0 in 1997. But it’s difficult to do that without in-depth knowledge of exactly how everything works, what is supported and what is not supported - at the moment I just hitting what feels like one wall after another (bugs, design issues) to just get DHIS2 up and running properly for our 55-60 databases.
Anyway, let’s see how it will work - I’ve “committed” too
Regards
Calle
On 8 April 2015 at 15:50, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
I would agree with you and have acknowledged this as you say. However, since a large part of the documentation has been developed purely as a volunteer effort, it is what it is. As I also epxlained in the workshop last summer (and several times on this list) the documents are open source, you are free (as are all) to contribute to improving them.The core team will be improving the documents gradually, as there is now central support ffor this, and issues on GtitHub are most welcome. But like I said, if you do not like what is there, feel free to get involved.
Also, if you do not want to participate in the Stack Exchange, there is no need to. We are trying this as a bit of experiment, and if it works, great, if it does not, then we can consider other route. However, StackExchange is a great resource for many technical communities, and it does not necessarily need to be limited to “techie” discussion. It is quite a difficult process to even get accepted into the site, but if we do, then it could potentially be a great resource for the community .
Best regards,
Jason
–
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
Regards
Calle
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Hi Calle,
Well, this might be part of the problem. Not many of us do, or have time, but it needs to be done. If you do not want to write documentation or HISP-SA cannot offer support in this regard, submit some bugs about the documentation about what we need to improve ,and we will work on it.
https://github.com/dhis2/dhis2docs/issues
Right now, it is a blank slate, there, so plenty of room to offer some constructive criticism about what needs to be improved.
Regards,
Jason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
It’s not that I don’t WANT to write documentation - I’ve written a lot of DHIS documentation since designing DHIS 1.0 in 1997. But it’s difficult to do that without in-depth knowledge of exactly how everything works, what is supported and what is not supported - at the moment I just hitting what feels like one wall after another (bugs, design issues) to just get DHIS2 up and running properly for our 55-60 databases.
Anyway, let’s see how it will work - I’ve “committed” too
Regards
Calle
–
On 8 April 2015 at 15:50, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
I would agree with you and have acknowledged this as you say. However, since a large part of the documentation has been developed purely as a volunteer effort, it is what it is. As I also epxlained in the workshop last summer (and several times on this list) the documents are open source, you are free (as are all) to contribute to improving them.The core team will be improving the documents gradually, as there is now central support ffor this, and issues on GtitHub are most welcome. But like I said, if you do not like what is there, feel free to get involved.
Also, if you do not want to participate in the Stack Exchange, there is no need to. We are trying this as a bit of experiment, and if it works, great, if it does not, then we can consider other route. However, StackExchange is a great resource for many technical communities, and it does not necessarily need to be limited to “techie” discussion. It is quite a difficult process to even get accepted into the site, but if we do, then it could potentially be a great resource for the community .
Best regards,
Jason
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
Regards
Calle
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
Calle,
StackExchange also has a handful of other advantages.
It allows to you tag for version.
It is optimized for search engine indexing.
You see multiple solutions in one place.
It has clear formatting.
Threaded discussions.
Most developers already have an account where as this isn’t the case for Launchpad.
There is a concept of related questions and linked questions.
A good summary can be found here http://stackoverflow.com/tour
Thanks,
Dan
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
Regards
Calle
–
On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
Regards,
Jason
–
Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
Regards
Calle
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
–
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
<stack-commit.png>
best regards,
Lars
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs
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Calle Hedberg
46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
Cell: +27-82-853-5352
Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19274
Email: calle.hedberg@gmail.com
Skype: calle_hedberg
Jason P. Pickering
email: jason.p.pickering@gmail.com
tel:+46764147049
Jason,
I will do so - have given it a lot of thought lately, especially since I can see that a lot of people (including myself) are wasting a lot of time and effort trying to navigate the maze. In retrospect, for instance, it’s slso become quite clear to me that the Academy is good for networking (avnd some festy discussions 
), but provide very few skills in how to navigate the DHIS2 documentation maze and/or how to quickly determine the root cause of a problem. One of the other participants from here, Elmarie, said exactly the same earlier today.
So we need to not only focus on how documentation is organised and written, but also on how we organise skills transfer and how we ensure that all user communities have equal opportunities to influence the future direction of the core.
Regards
Calle
On 8 April 2015 at 16:05, Dan Cocos dan@dancocos.com wrote:
Calle,
StackExchange also has a handful of other advantages.
It allows to you tag for version.
It is optimized for search engine indexing.
You see multiple solutions in one place.
It has clear formatting.
Threaded discussions.
Most developers already have an account where as this isn’t the case for Launchpad.
There is a concept of related questions and linked questions.
A good summary can be found here http://stackoverflow.com/tour
Thanks,
Dan
On Apr 8, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
I would agree with you and have acknowledged this as you say. However, since a large part of the documentation has been developed purely as a volunteer effort, it is what it is. As I also epxlained in the workshop last summer (and several times on this list) the documents are open source, you are free (as are all) to contribute to improving them.The core team will be improving the documents gradually, as there is now central support ffor this, and issues on GtitHub are most welcome. But like I said, if you do not like what is there, feel free to get involved.
Also, if you do not want to participate in the Stack Exchange, there is no need to. We are trying this as a bit of experiment, and if it works, great, if it does not, then we can consider other route. However, StackExchange is a great resource for many technical communities, and it does not necessarily need to be limited to “techie” discussion. It is quite a difficult process to even get accepted into the site, but if we do, then it could potentially be a great resource for the community .
Best regards,
Jason
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
Again maybe - I’m concerned about too many avenues/sites for technical info that tend to change frequently, with the core team being unable to maintain them and increasingly not responding at all or responding with the usual RTFM (as you pointed out in your documentation presentation in Oslo last year, the documentation is poor and fragmented - it’s next to impossible to find solutions to significant problems using that route because so many things are NOT documented or it’s buried under a lot of techie lingo with limited or non-existent links to real-world issues as they are viewed by people in the field).
I’m increasingly convinced that we need fewer documents/sites for technical info - and rather one major source that digs really deep into every single aspect of the UI and processes, outlining both what is there and what isn’t. Too much of that is currently only in the heads of the core team, which are overwhelmed and not able to respond to the more complicated issues.
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Calle
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On 8 April 2015 at 14:01, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Calle,
The thinking here is that you will not need to ask the core team for a lot of stuff, so they can focus on other stuff. This lists gets a lot of repeat questions and a lot of questions which could be answered if people bothered to read the documentation. Stack Exchange offers a means to keep answers in questions in a more FAQ type of format. It is not really meant to be a replacement for this list, but a more searchable site than the current mailing list (which admittedly is not always easy to dig through to find a specific answer to a given problem)
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Jason
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Calle Hedberg calle.hedberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
OK, but getting answers (or even confirmation that the query has been received) via direct questions to the core team or via the dev list is generally difficult except for the simple/obvious stuff. Will adding another community forum change that?
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On 8 April 2015 at 13:27, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to your help we made it to the last stage of the stackexchange evaluation. We now need you to “commit” to using the site - your help is appreciated!
It only takes a second - please go to the link above, create an account if you didn’t already, and click the “commit” link.
We believe that having an online question-and-answers community will be very helpful for giving people access to DHIS-related knowledge.
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