New requirement from Sri Lanka

Hi Kim Anh,
Thanks a lot for your ideas.
There are some things I am still don’t understand much. Could you please explain more detail about manage items. and how to create that in current DHIS. I still can’t image how to do it using dataelement and data entry form.

Example

I

  1. FHB receives items from supplier.
    They will input the details of items as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 100 - 50000
Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 150 - 10000

Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 50 - 20000

  1. FHB view reports from RMDSs Report look like the 1158 form and see that RMDS1 need 1000 condoms. So FHB issues to RMDS1 1000 condoms (A, B, C)

  2. RMDS1 receives items from FHB and input details of items they got as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 110 - 300

Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 200

Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 60 - 500

  1. RMDS1 view reports 1158 from MOHs to see how much their MOHs want and see MOH11 need 500 comdoms this month. So RMDS1 issue 500 condoms (A, B, C) to the MOH1. (each RMDS has about 7 to 15 MOHs)

  2. MOH11 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 100

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom C - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 45

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom C - CC - 11/2012 - 120 - 30

Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 50

Then my question is if we can use current DHIS, then how can we identify which one is data element?

If we create Comdom A as a data element with categories options are Name, code, date exp, unit price, quantity is impossible. Because catgory options are same data type

If we create seperate data elements as Comdom A Name, Condom A code, Condom A Date Exp,… then there would be many data elements, and these data entry forms won’t be stable because when time change, there would be be new kind of condom D available in the market.

And currently there is not Search function for data values in DHIS in aggregated report. So if I have the Condom name, I want to generate the list of organistation units were got it for last 6 months. but not view in each org unit. Because there would be many organisation units there.

I need more your explainations

Thuy

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kim-Anh Vo catakim@gmail.com

Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka
To: Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com

hello again,

That’s really interesting… as I guess.

DHIS2 is possible to be customized for monitoring items through levels.

Data:
There are two data-flow to be kept in mind: upward (request) and downward (return).

They’re all the input-data indeed!
So we need 2 collection of daels (categories also) with request/return as the identifiers.

Services: all functions taken place by calculation/modification/… between these two data-flow. Eg: reports (aggregated input data - the same form for input data up/downward and output, and monitoring purpose as well), analysis by chart, GIS.

With BIRT + reporttable concept (DHIS2): almost report-issues have clues for solution.

Keep it as simple as possible :slight_smile:

Let me know how he project is going in the future.
I’m interested the practical uses/customizations of DHIS2 like this!

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com

Date: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka
To: John lewis johnlewis.hisp@gmail.com

I was sleeping but wake up in the night and can’t stop thinking of the project. Let me describ more about the process of existing system. There was an activity diagram but the doc she sent me by docx, i can’t see any table in that. I will send you tomorrow.

Level 1 National : FHB

Level 2 District : RMSD

Level 3 Division : MOH

The process from bottom to top

  1. the MOH send the request form to RMSD. The form has code RH MIS 1158 (Monthly Contraceptive Strock Return/Request form) as I sent in previous email.First of all
  • This form has information of
  • Month - Year send request
  • Places the form would be sent to
  • The main area of the form has a table with
  • row is : condom, oral pill packet, injectables (DBMA) vials, intra uterine device and implants
  • column is :
  1. Amount remain at the end of last month (a),
  2. amount received during a month,
  3. total
  4. amount issued/despensed during the month,
  5. amount remain at the end of the month
  6. amount require
  7. average monthly requirement :
  8. min qty
  9. max qty: depend on the need of that stock.
    (3) = (1)+(2)

(4)
(5) = (3)-(4)
(5) -> (1) in next month
(6)=(8)-(5)
(7)= (sum (4) ) / Xmonths
(8)= Y * (7)
(9) = Z * (7)

X : is number of months ( but atleast 3 months, or 6 months, 12 months,…)
Y : is minimum months of stock (Mos) that the specified org unit need to store. Example the min of MOH is 2 months of store. So if the (7) is 150. then Min quantity of MOH is 150 *2

Z : is maximum months of stock.

  1. RMSD has 3 things to do
  • look at the form with the number of items required from MOH, and depend on min max qty and the quantity where RDHS stock has ,they issue items to MOH. They also track information of items they issued to which MOH
  • send the RH MIS 1158 to FHB to report remain items, issued items and require number of new items. (same with MOH send request form to it)
  • After received items from FHB, RDHS need to confirm FHB that they got the items.
  1. FHB has 3 things to do
  • receive the request form and issue items from RMSD.
  • If the stock has not enough item, or need more, then it will get the items from suppliers.
  • FHB also have detail information of items they got from supplier (name, quantity, date expiry, batch number, unit price, quantity price)
  • FHB issue items to RMSD. information of issue (Issue date, item names, quantity, date expiry, batch/lot number, unit price, quantity price, distribute to) it can be refered from “Out put item report.JPG” file.

They want all information is save in central database, so that they can get all kind of report, and if there is problem with item, then they can generate report contain org unit were issued.

Anyway, I will work with her every afternoon so I will discuss more and get more information.


Thuy


Thuy

Best regards,
Kim-Anh Vo

Hi Thuy,

Hi Kim Anh,
Thanks a lot for your ideas.
There are some things I am still don't understand much. Could you please
explain more detail about manage items. and how to create that in current
DHIS. I still can't image how to do it using dataelement and data entry
form.

Example

I
1. FHB receives items from supplier.
They will input the details of items as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 100 - 50000
Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 150 - 10000
Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 50 - 20000

2. FHB view reports from RMDSs Report look like the 1158 form and see that
RMDS1 need 1000 condoms. So FHB issues to RMDS1 1000 condoms (A, B, C)

3. RMDS1 receives items from FHB and input details of items they got as
below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 110 - 300
Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 200
Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 60 - 500
4. RMDS1 view reports 1158 from MOHs to see how much their MOHs want and see
MOH11 need 500 comdoms this month. So RMDS1 issue 500 condoms (A, B, C) to
the MOH1. (each RMDS has about 7 to 15 MOHs)

5. MOH11 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 100

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom C - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 45

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom C - CC - 11/2012 - 120 - 30
Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 50

Then my question is if we can use current DHIS, then how can we identify
which one is data element?

If we create Comdom A as a data element with categories options are Name,
code, date exp, unit price, quantity is impossible. Because catgory options
are same data type

I don't think this matters - I mean you don't have to be that strict I
guess. But if you want to be strict and make categoryoptions as units
slicing a given dimension, then create different categories for each
of these columns and combine them in categorycombo.

···

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Thuy Nguyen <thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com> wrote:

If we create seperate data elements as Comdom A Name, Condom A code, Condom
A Date Exp,.. then there would be many data elements, and these data entry
forms won't be stable because when time change, there would be be new kind
of condom D available in the market.

And currently there is not Search function for data values in DHIS in
aggregated report. So if I have the Condom name, I want to generate the list
of organistation units were got it for last 6 months. but not view in each
org unit. Because there would be many organisation units there.

I need more your explainations

Thuy
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kim-Anh Vo <catakim@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka
To: Thuy Nguyen <thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com>

hello again,

That's really interesting... as I guess.
DHIS2 is possible to be customized for monitoring items through levels.

Data:
There are two data-flow to be kept in mind: upward (request) and downward
(return).
They're all the input-data indeed!
So we need 2 collection of daels (categories also) with request/return as
the identifiers.

Services: all functions taken place by calculation/modification/... between
these two data-flow. Eg: reports (aggregated input data - the same form for
input data up/downward and output, and monitoring purpose as well), analysis
by chart, GIS.
With BIRT + reporttable concept (DHIS2): almost report-issues have clues for
solution.

Keep it as simple as possible :slight_smile:

Let me know how he project is going in the future.
I'm interested the practical uses/customizations of DHIS2 like this!

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Thuy Nguyen <thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com> > wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thuy Nguyen <thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka
To: John lewis <johnlewis.hisp@gmail.com>

I was sleeping but wake up in the night and can't stop thinking of the
project. Let me describ more about the process of existing system. There was
an activity diagram but the doc she sent me by docx, i can't see any table
in that. I will send you tomorrow.

Level 1 National : FHB

Level 2 District : RMSD

Level 3 Division : MOH

The process from bottom to top

1. the MOH send the request form to RMSD. The form has code RH MIS 1158
(Monthly Contraceptive Strock Return/Request form) as I sent in previous
email.First of all

This form has information of

Month - Year send request
Places the form would be sent to
The main area of the form has a table with

row is : condom, oral pill packet, injectables (DBMA) vials, intra uterine
device and implants
column is :

Amount remain at the end of last month (a),
amount received during a month,
total
amount issued/despensed during the month,
amount remain at the end of the month
amount require
average monthly requirement :
min qty
max qty: depend on the need of that stock.

(3) = (1)+(2)
(4)
(5) = (3)-(4)
(5) -> (1) in next month
(6)=(8)-(5)
(7)= (sum (4) ) / Xmonths
(8)= Y * (7)
(9) = Z * (7)

X : is number of months ( but atleast 3 months, or 6 months, 12
months,...)
Y : is minimum months of stock (Mos) that the specified org unit need to
store. Example the min of MOH is 2 months of store. So if the (7) is 150.
then Min quantity of MOH is 150 *2
Z : is maximum months of stock.

2. RMSD has 3 things to do

look at the form with the number of items required from MOH, and depend on
min max qty and the quantity where RDHS stock has ,they issue items to MOH.
They also track information of items they issued to which MOH
send the RH MIS 1158 to FHB to report remain items, issued items and
require number of new items. (same with MOH send request form to it)
After received items from FHB, RDHS need to confirm FHB that they got the
items.

3. FHB has 3 things to do

receive the request form and issue items from RMSD.
If the stock has not enough item, or need more, then it will get the items
from suppliers.
FHB also have detail information of items they got from supplier (name,
quantity, date expiry, batch number, unit price, quantity price)
FHB issue items to RMSD. information of issue (Issue date, item names,
quantity, date expiry, batch/lot number, unit price, quantity price,
distribute to) it can be refered from "Out put item report.JPG" file.

They want all information is save in central database, so that they can
get all kind of report, and if there is problem with item, then they can
generate report contain org unit were issued.

Anyway, I will work with her every afternoon so I will discuss more and
get more information.

--
Thuy

--
Thuy

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Best regards,
Kim-Anh Vo

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hello,

Hi Kim Anh,
Thanks a lot for your ideas.
There are some things I am still don’t understand much. Could you please explain more detail about manage items. and how to create that in current DHIS. I still can’t image how to do it using dataelement and data entry form.

Example

I

  1. FHB receives items from supplier.
    They will input the details of items as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity
Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 100 - 50000
Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 150 - 10000

Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 50 - 20000

currently, DHIS2 need more development for be able to apply this.
basically and actually DHIS2 design is not for drugs management.

But for adaptation, you can just see each cell in the table as a dael.

How much items there? For only contraception program… I guess it’s really not too much, right? 100?
(name-based module is working on this: attributes,… free to add more… but this is just for reference and still being developed/designed… its purpose-the module, I mean, is not for drugs also!)

  1. FHB view reports from RMDSs Report look like the 1158 form and see that RMDS1 need 1000 condoms. So FHB issues to RMDS1 1000 condoms (A, B, C)

thinking of separating request and return… 2 different data-flow… for easy management/monitoring later.
All RMDSs report (1158 form) —> FHB : request data-flow (equivalent to data-flow dataset, for example, just called: “1158-Request-DataElementSet”).

FHB issues (1158 form also) —> RMDS(s) : return data-flow (“1158-Return-DataElementSet”)

Actually, the later (return data-flow) is the core needed to monitor data-flow. The former (request data-flow) is for recorded/checked out later… For example, it only does COUNT if the FHB can afford to issue the numbers of items, not the numbers of items in the request (following my understanding through the project descriptions).

Possible data-entry form:

  1. For request: simple request daels
  2. For return: same form but showing both requested and returned/issued daels in the same cells, just add some texts to distinguish them. This help the officer at FHB to monitor the request info while replying/issuing.

(the already data-input for request form will be showed in this form if period is the same… I believe you know this too!)

  1. RMDS1 receives items from FHB and input details of items they got as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 110 - 300

Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 200

Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 60 - 500

the same drugs but why diff information at different level?
It’s not mentioned in the descriptions of the project, right?

  1. RMDS1 view reports 1158 from MOHs to see how much their MOHs want and see MOH11 need 500 comdoms this month. So RMDS1 issue 500 condoms (A, B, C) to the MOH1. (each RMDS has about 7 to 15 MOHs)

the same as point nr. 2
Dataset-report can be used in here!

  1. MOH11 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 100

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom C - CA - 11/2012 - 120 - 45

MOH15 receives items from RMDS1 and input details of items they got
Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom C - CC - 11/2012 - 120 - 30

Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 50

Then my question is if we can use current DHIS, then how can we identify which one is data element?

Currently DHIS2, dael just consists of attributes: name, shortname, description, etc. in one OBJECT, dataelement.

If wanting to manage each of the attribute entities: code, date exp, etc… JUST break it DOWN … into dataelement
(as said in point nr. 1)

If we create Comdom A as a data element with categories options are Name, code, date exp, unit price, quantity is impossible. Because catgory options are same data type

This is a way.

If we create seperate data elements as Comdom A Name, Condom A code, Condom A Date Exp,… then there would be many data elements, and these data entry forms won’t be stable because when time change, there would be be new kind of condom D available in the market.

It depends on the choices… how many items(drugs) of the contraceptive stock programe?

What’s the point of number of daels and stability of data-entry form?
If having more items (like condom D as you gave out), user just create new daels for that item.

This is a good practice of DHIS2… and because DHIS2’s design is for that.
For categories, you couldn’t make changes. Moreover, category-concept is quite not fit in this case (non-sense for the total… you just exploit its by reducing daels defined).

And currently there is not Search function for data values in DHIS in aggregated report. So if I have the Condom name, I want to generate the list of organistation units were got it for last 6 months. but not view in each org unit. Because there would be many organisation units there.

simply… as we might did here in Vietnam before maybe, add an representative OU for all of them :wink:

I need more your explainations

These above are just my own understanding/analysis, anyone from HISP can help out more :slight_smile: with comments!

···

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com wrote:

Thuy
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kim-Anh Vo catakim@gmail.com

Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka

To: Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com

hello again,

That’s really interesting… as I guess.

DHIS2 is possible to be customized for monitoring items through levels.

Data:
There are two data-flow to be kept in mind: upward (request) and downward (return).

They’re all the input-data indeed!
So we need 2 collection of daels (categories also) with request/return as the identifiers.

Services: all functions taken place by calculation/modification/… between these two data-flow. Eg: reports (aggregated input data - the same form for input data up/downward and output, and monitoring purpose as well), analysis by chart, GIS.

With BIRT + reporttable concept (DHIS2): almost report-issues have clues for solution.

Keep it as simple as possible :slight_smile:

Let me know how he project is going in the future.
I’m interested the practical uses/customizations of DHIS2 like this!

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thuy Nguyen thuy.hispvietnam@gmail.com

Date: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: New requirement from Sri Lanka
To: John lewis johnlewis.hisp@gmail.com

I was sleeping but wake up in the night and can’t stop thinking of the project. Let me describ more about the process of existing system. There was an activity diagram but the doc she sent me by docx, i can’t see any table in that. I will send you tomorrow.

Level 1 National : FHB

Level 2 District : RMSD

Level 3 Division : MOH

The process from bottom to top

  1. the MOH send the request form to RMSD. The form has code RH MIS 1158 (Monthly Contraceptive Strock Return/Request form) as I sent in previous email.First of all
  • This form has information of
  • Month - Year send request
  • Places the form would be sent to
  • The main area of the form has a table with
  • row is : condom, oral pill packet, injectables (DBMA) vials, intra uterine device and implants
  • column is :
  1. Amount remain at the end of last month (a),
  2. amount received during a month,
  3. total
  4. amount issued/despensed during the month,
  5. amount remain at the end of the month
  6. amount require
  7. average monthly requirement :
  8. min qty
  9. max qty: depend on the need of that stock.
    (3) = (1)+(2)

(4)
(5) = (3)-(4)
(5) -> (1) in next month
(6)=(8)-(5)
(7)= (sum (4) ) / Xmonths
(8)= Y * (7)
(9) = Z * (7)

X : is number of months ( but atleast 3 months, or 6 months, 12 months,…)
Y : is minimum months of stock (Mos) that the specified org unit need to store. Example the min of MOH is 2 months of store. So if the (7) is 150. then Min quantity of MOH is 150 *2

Z : is maximum months of stock.

  1. RMSD has 3 things to do
  • look at the form with the number of items required from MOH, and depend on min max qty and the quantity where RDHS stock has ,they issue items to MOH. They also track information of items they issued to which MOH
  • send the RH MIS 1158 to FHB to report remain items, issued items and require number of new items. (same with MOH send request form to it)
  • After received items from FHB, RDHS need to confirm FHB that they got the items.
  1. FHB has 3 things to do
  • receive the request form and issue items from RMSD.
  • If the stock has not enough item, or need more, then it will get the items from suppliers.
  • FHB also have detail information of items they got from supplier (name, quantity, date expiry, batch number, unit price, quantity price)
  • FHB issue items to RMSD. information of issue (Issue date, item names, quantity, date expiry, batch/lot number, unit price, quantity price, distribute to) it can be refered from “Out put item report.JPG” file.

They want all information is save in central database, so that they can get all kind of report, and if there is problem with item, then they can generate report contain org unit were issued.

Anyway, I will work with her every afternoon so I will discuss more and get more information.


Thuy


Thuy

Best regards,
Kim-Anh Vo

Best regards,
Kim-Anh Vo

  1. RMDS1 receives items from FHB and input details of items they got as below

Name - Code - Date exp - Unit Price - Quantity

Condom A - CA - 11/2012 - 110 - 300

Condom B - CB - 03/2014 - 160 - 200

Condom C - CC - 09/2011 - 60 - 500

the same drugs but why diff information at different level?
It’s not mentioned in the descriptions of the project, right?

I am sorry. I just talk to the lady who do this project. That Unit price is unchange between level of Organisation unit. Only Quantity would be changed.

I will try doing as your suggestions and see if there is any problem.

···


Thuy

And currently there is not Search function for data values in DHIS in aggregated report. So if I have the Condom name, I want to generate the list of organistation units were got it for last 6 months. but not view in each org unit. Because there would be many organisation units there.

simply… as we might did here in Vietnam before maybe, add an representative OU for all of them :wink:

Because the item names or their other attributes are given by user when searching. So if you mean by using like in Excel report which is using in Vietnam then I think it would be difficult. Because excel report is static, not dynamic. So Excel report we can only generate report in this case is a very big report with all items details and with all organisation units.

And the problem is there is not search tool for data values in dhis. except searching patients in patient record module.

···

Best regards,
Kim-Anh Vo


Thuy

Hi Thuy and everyone,

As I knew that CategoryOption which is also a kind of specification of data element. If I am wrong then please remind me.

So, my opinion is that can we extend the input type of category option such as: text, date, yes/no and number as same as data element?

If yes, i think the requirement from Sri Lanka that Thuy’s presenting which is might be solve. Just a small idea for this issue. How do you all think ?

Thanks.

···


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