Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
Hi Stephen,
a DHIS 2 data value is linked to data elements, not data sets. The implication is that if you have a data element being part of multiple data sets and enter a data value for the first data set, then the data value will show up pre-filled in the other data set when you open it. So there will not be duplication, but you will not be able to have different data values for that data element, as the data element will point to the same data value irrespective of which data set you open. I am assuming that the same org unit, period and data set category has been selected in the this scenario.
regards,
Lars
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Trøyel Nerbø troyel.nerbo@nrc.no wrote:
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
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Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
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Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
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University of Oslo
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Hi,
Can we add dataset id to datavalue and make each dataset elements value unique? This is required most of the time and also easy for analysis avoiding redundabt dataelements with exact same definition.
Regards,
Murod
On 9 Dec 2016 15:21, “Lars Helge Øverland” lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Stephen,
a DHIS 2 data value is linked to data elements, not data sets. The implication is that if you have a data element being part of multiple data sets and enter a data value for the first data set, then the data value will show up pre-filled in the other data set when you open it. So there will not be duplication, but you will not be able to have different data values for that data element, as the data element will point to the same data value irrespective of which data set you open. I am assuming that the same org unit, period and data set category has been selected in the this scenario.
regards,
Lars
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Trøyel Nerbø troyel.nerbo@nrc.no wrote:
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+troyel.nerbo=nrc.no@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Gbanyan
Sent: fredag 9. desember 2016 10.09
To: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: [Dhis2-users] need Assistance
Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
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Lars Helge Øverland
Lead developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
Skype: larshelgeoverland
Hi Murod,
no we will not do that. The principle is that if two data element definitions in two forms (data sets) are identical, then for the same period and org unit it should not be necessary to enter data twice. Your idea here will in fact lead to data duplication, not remove redundancy. This design is part of an effort to remove duplicate data entry across forms which is something we have seen a lot in the HMIS setting.
regards,
Lars
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Murod Latifov mlatifov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Can we add dataset id to datavalue and make each dataset elements value unique? This is required most of the time and also easy for analysis avoiding redundabt dataelements with exact same definition.
Regards,
Murod
–
On 9 Dec 2016 15:21, “Lars Helge Øverland” lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Stephen,
a DHIS 2 data value is linked to data elements, not data sets. The implication is that if you have a data element being part of multiple data sets and enter a data value for the first data set, then the data value will show up pre-filled in the other data set when you open it. So there will not be duplication, but you will not be able to have different data values for that data element, as the data element will point to the same data value irrespective of which data set you open. I am assuming that the same org unit, period and data set category has been selected in the this scenario.
regards,
Lars
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Trøyel Nerbø troyel.nerbo@nrc.no wrote:
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+troyel.nerbo=nrc.no@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Gbanyan
Sent: fredag 9. desember 2016 10.09
To: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: [Dhis2-users] need Assistance
Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
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Lead developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
Skype: larshelgeoverland
Lars Helge Øverland
Lead developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
Skype: larshelgeoverland
Hi All,
Thanks for the prompt response. I am creating a custom form for our teaching hospital and want to include all the current data elements and new elements that are only applicable to the hospital so I want to be sure of that before doing such.
Thanks
Stephen
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Lars Helge Øverland lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Murod,
no we will not do that. The principle is that if two data element definitions in two forms (data sets) are identical, then for the same period and org unit it should not be necessary to enter data twice. Your idea here will in fact lead to data duplication, not remove redundancy. This design is part of an effort to remove duplicate data entry across forms which is something we have seen a lot in the HMIS setting.
regards,
Lars
–
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Murod Latifov mlatifov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Can we add dataset id to datavalue and make each dataset elements value unique? This is required most of the time and also easy for analysis avoiding redundabt dataelements with exact same definition.
Regards,
Murod
–
Lars Helge Øverland
Lead developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
Skype: larshelgeoverland
On 9 Dec 2016 15:21, “Lars Helge Øverland” lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Stephen,
a DHIS 2 data value is linked to data elements, not data sets. The implication is that if you have a data element being part of multiple data sets and enter a data value for the first data set, then the data value will show up pre-filled in the other data set when you open it. So there will not be duplication, but you will not be able to have different data values for that data element, as the data element will point to the same data value irrespective of which data set you open. I am assuming that the same org unit, period and data set category has been selected in the this scenario.
regards,
Lars
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Trøyel Nerbø troyel.nerbo@nrc.no wrote:
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+troyel.nerbo=nrc.no@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Gbanyan
Sent: fredag 9. desember 2016 10.09
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Subject: [Dhis2-users] need Assistance
Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
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University of Oslo
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Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
Hi Stephen,
Can you describe use case and requirement little bit more about your teaching hospital ?
thanks
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Stephen Gbanyan mambu9@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Thanks for the prompt response. I am creating a custom form for our teaching hospital and want to include all the current data elements and new elements that are only applicable to the hospital so I want to be sure of that before doing such.
Thanks
Stephen
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Lars Helge Øverland lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Murod,
no we will not do that. The principle is that if two data element definitions in two forms (data sets) are identical, then for the same period and org unit it should not be necessary to enter data twice. Your idea here will in fact lead to data duplication, not remove redundancy. This design is part of an effort to remove duplicate data entry across forms which is something we have seen a lot in the HMIS setting.
regards,
Lars
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Murod Latifov mlatifov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Can we add dataset id to datavalue and make each dataset elements value unique? This is required most of the time and also easy for analysis avoiding redundabt dataelements with exact same definition.
Regards,
Murod
–
Lars Helge Øverland
Lead developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
Skype: larshelgeoverland
On 9 Dec 2016 15:21, “Lars Helge Øverland” lars@dhis2.org wrote:
Hi Stephen,
a DHIS 2 data value is linked to data elements, not data sets. The implication is that if you have a data element being part of multiple data sets and enter a data value for the first data set, then the data value will show up pre-filled in the other data set when you open it. So there will not be duplication, but you will not be able to have different data values for that data element, as the data element will point to the same data value irrespective of which data set you open. I am assuming that the same org unit, period and data set category has been selected in the this scenario.
regards,
Lars
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Trøyel Nerbø troyel.nerbo@nrc.no wrote:
Hi Stephen,
As far as I understand the data set is just a way to organize and present data elements. If you want to use the same data element in two different data sets, and not share data between them, you have to employ a different disaggregation. Using category combination on the data set will retain the same data element with its disaggregation’s but give the ability to separate the data entered on different data sets. See the manual:
https://ci.dhis2.org/docs/master/en/user/html/dhis2_user_manual_en_full.html#d1245e4345
(In NRC we use several category options as attributes to specify i.e. which project the reported data belongs to). I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Trøyel
Best Regards
Halvar Trøyel Nerbø
Reporting Advisor
+47 992 39 817
Skype: nrc_troyel
From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+troyel.nerbo=nrc.no@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Gbanyan
Sent: fredag 9. desember 2016 10.09
To: dhis2-users dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: [Dhis2-users] need Assistance
Hi All,
Is it possible to have a data element sharing two different data sets? If so will it not duplicate figures?
Thanks
–
Stephen M. Gbanyan, Jr. - ASc. BA.
Director
Health Information System
Ministry of Health and Social Welfare
Republic of Liberia
+231-886-847-915
skype: mambu9
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University of Oslo
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