(GIS) Facility indicators

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of two different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select those two indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period (GIS GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different group and period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan

Hi Jan,
This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a
need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not
necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar
looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with
monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular
month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say
"Bednet coverage rate" with "Malaria incidence rate". These might not
be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same
time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would
think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into
Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility
coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,
Jason

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of two
different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select those two
indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period (GIS
GUI):
INDICATORS
Indicator group
Period
Indicator 1
Indicator 2

.. or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different group and
period):
INDICATOR 1
Indicator group
Period
Indicator

INDICATOR 2
Indicator group
Period
Indicator

Jan
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Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to extend this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels (the need for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have when interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).

I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of cases compared to “semi-permanent” data in the form of type of health facility or services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as indicators, but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring data to see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that we can also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only display indicators).

Knut

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jan,

This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a

need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not

necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar

looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with

monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular

month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say

“Bednet coverage rate” with “Malaria incidence rate”. These might not

be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same

time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would

think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into

Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility

coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of two

different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select those two

indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period (GIS

GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different group and

period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan


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One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to
"normalize" the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in
DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data
to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do
not make sense. Sure, we could compare "Fully immunized childred" data
element to "Female population", but of course this does not make sense
to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of
indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is
actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to
create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through
the data mart would be a great feature.

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@gmail.com> wrote:

Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to extend
this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels (the need
for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have when
interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).
I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of cases
compared to "semi-permanent" data in the form of type of health facility or
services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as indicators,
but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring data to
see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that we can
also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only display
indicators).
Knut

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jan,
This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a
need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not
necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar
looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with
monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular
month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say
"Bednet coverage rate" with "Malaria incidence rate". These might not
be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same
time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would
think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into
Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility
coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,
Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland >> <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of two
> different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select those
> two
> indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period (GIS
> GUI):
> INDICATORS
> Indicator group
> Period
> Indicator 1
> Indicator 2
>
> .. or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different group
> and
> period):
> INDICATOR 1
> Indicator group
> Period
> Indicator
>
> INDICATOR 2
> Indicator group
> Period
> Indicator
>
> Jan
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So let’s go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it’s just a matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to be transfered twice anyway.

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to

“normalize” the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in

DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data

to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do

not make sense. Sure, we could compare “Fully immunized childred” data

element to “Female population”, but of course this does not make sense

to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of

indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is

actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to

create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through

the data mart would be a great feature.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:

Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to extend

this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels (the need

for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have when

interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).

I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of cases

compared to “semi-permanent” data in the form of type of health facility or

services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as indicators,

but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring data to

see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that we can

also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only display

indicators).

Knut

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering > > > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jan,

This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a

need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not

necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar

looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with

monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular

month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say

“Bednet coverage rate” with “Malaria incidence rate”. These might not

be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same

time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would

think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into

Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility

coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of two

different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select those

two

indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period (GIS

GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different group

and

period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan


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Sounds good to me. Will really look forward to seeing this in action.

Best regards,
Jason

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:

So let's go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator
group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it's just a
matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to be
transfered twice anyway.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:

One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to
"normalize" the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in
DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data
to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do
not make sense. Sure, we could compare "Fully immunized childred" data
element to "Female population", but of course this does not make sense
to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of
indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is
actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to
create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through
the data mart would be a great feature.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to
> extend
> this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels (the
> need
> for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have
> when
> interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).
> I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of cases
> compared to "semi-permanent" data in the form of type of health facility
> or
> services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as
> indicators,
> but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring data
> to
> see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that we
> can
> also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only
> display
> indicators).
> Knut
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering >> > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>> This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a
>> need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not
>> necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar
>> looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with
>> monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular
>> month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say
>> "Bednet coverage rate" with "Malaria incidence rate". These might not
>> be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same
>> time period.
>>
>> However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would
>> think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into
>> Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility
>> coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.
>>
>> Looks great!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland >> >> <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of
>> > two
>> > different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select
>> > those
>> > two
>> > indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period
>> > (GIS
>> > GUI):
>> > INDICATORS
>> > Indicator group
>> > Period
>> > Indicator 1
>> > Indicator 2
>> >
>> > .. or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different
>> > group
>> > and
>> > period):
>> > INDICATOR 1
>> > Indicator group
>> > Period
>> > Indicator
>> >
>> > INDICATOR 2
>> > Indicator group
>> > Period
>> > Indicator
>> >
>> > Jan
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>

Ok, I will start working on this on Monday. It should be possible to display these points on top of generated polygons as well.

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Sounds good to me. Will really look forward to seeing this in action.

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland > janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

So let’s go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator

group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it’s just a

matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to be

transfered twice anyway.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering > > > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to

“normalize” the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in

DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data

to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do

not make sense. Sure, we could compare “Fully immunized childred” data

element to “Female population”, but of course this does not make sense

to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of

indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is

actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to

create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through

the data mart would be a great feature.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:

Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to

extend

this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels (the

need

for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have

when

interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).

I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of cases

compared to “semi-permanent” data in the form of type of health facility

or

services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as

indicators,

but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring data

to

see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that we

can

also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only

display

indicators).

Knut

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering > > >> > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jan,

This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a

need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not

necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar

looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date) with

monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular

month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say

“Bednet coverage rate” with “Malaria incidence rate”. These might not

be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same

time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I would

think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data into

Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility

coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > >> >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of

two

different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select

those

two

indicators from the same indicator group and within the same period

(GIS

GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different

group

and

period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan


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Hi there. A couple of more issues that arise from this as well.

First, transparency. I am thinking that it would be nice, if possible,
to be able to adjust the level of transparency in addition to the
color scheme. This is a tricky issue, as transparent point symbols may
"bleed" into the colors underneath. This is the same for polygons,
which might be transparent so some degree, and bleed in with the
background image (such as a satellite image or other WMS background
layer). I am not really sure what the best way to handle this is. It
is easy to create really crappy looking maps unless this is managed
properly. I am not sure if you have considered this, or if it is even
possible.

Second, layer ordering. I can imagine we will start getting into a
situation where we will have to apply some sort of ordering to the
layers, similar to the functionality in most GIS systems. With all of
these layers (polygons, point symbols, background layers, and other
"static layers" such as roads, transportation, etc) it may get very
messy quickly.

Intermap, the client that ships with Geonetwork, uses the Web Mapping
Context standard for this, which will work well for different WFS/WMS
layers, but since it really isn't possible at the moment (as far as I
know with DHIS) to make a WMS call directly for a particular layer
(similar to the REST interface of the OpenHealth prototype), I am not
exactly sure either how this would be done.

Anyway, just some musings...having point based mapping functionality
will be a great!

Best regards,
Jason

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, I will start working on this on Monday. It should be possible to display
these points on top o generated polygons as well.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Jason Pickering > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds good to me. Will really look forward to seeing this in action.

Best regards,
Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland >> <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:
> So let's go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator
> group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it's just a
> matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to
> be
> transfered twice anyway.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering >> > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to
>> "normalize" the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in
>> DHIS.
>>
>> I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data
>> to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do
>> not make sense. Sure, we could compare "Fully immunized childred" data
>> element to "Female population", but of course this does not make sense
>> to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of
>> indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is
>> actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to
>> create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through
>> the data mart would be a great feature.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
>> > Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to
>> > extend
>> > this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels
>> > (the
>> > need
>> > for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have
>> > when
>> > interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).
>> > I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of
>> > cases
>> > compared to "semi-permanent" data in the form of type of health
>> > facility
>> > or
>> > services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as
>> > indicators,
>> > but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring
>> > data
>> > to
>> > see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that
>> > we
>> > can
>> > also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only
>> > display
>> > indicators).
>> > Knut
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering >> >> > <jason.p.pickering@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jan,
>> >> This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a
>> >> need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not
>> >> necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar
>> >> looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date)
>> >> with
>> >> monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular
>> >> month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say
>> >> "Bednet coverage rate" with "Malaria incidence rate". These might
>> >> not
>> >> be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same
>> >> time period.
>> >>
>> >> However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I
>> >> would
>> >> think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data
>> >> into
>> >> Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility
>> >> coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Looks great!
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland >> >> >> <janhenrik.overland@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of
>> >> > two
>> >> > different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select
>> >> > those
>> >> > two
>> >> > indicators from the same indicator group and within the same
>> >> > period
>> >> > (GIS
>> >> > GUI):
>> >> > INDICATORS
>> >> > Indicator group
>> >> > Period
>> >> > Indicator 1
>> >> > Indicator 2
>> >> >
>> >> > .. or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different
>> >> > group
>> >> > and
>> >> > period):
>> >> > INDICATOR 1
>> >> > Indicator group
>> >> > Period
>> >> > Indicator
>> >> >
>> >> > INDICATOR 2
>> >> > Indicator group
>> >> > Period
>> >> > Indicator
>> >> >
>> >> > Jan
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> > Knut Staring
>> >
>
>

Thanks Jason and Johan for good input on this.

Jan: Do we need a geojson file for the facilities, or are you generating this on the fly from the coordinates in the DHIS organisationunit table?

Knut

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi there. A couple of more issues that arise from this as well.

First, transparency. I am thinking that it would be nice, if possible,

to be able to adjust the level of transparency in addition to the

color scheme. This is a tricky issue, as transparent point symbols may

“bleed” into the colors underneath. This is the same for polygons,

which might be transparent so some degree, and bleed in with the

background image (such as a satellite image or other WMS background

layer). I am not really sure what the best way to handle this is. It

is easy to create really crappy looking maps unless this is managed

properly. I am not sure if you have considered this, or if it is even

possible.

Second, layer ordering. I can imagine we will start getting into a

situation where we will have to apply some sort of ordering to the

layers, similar to the functionality in most GIS systems. With all of

these layers (polygons, point symbols, background layers, and other

“static layers” such as roads, transportation, etc) it may get very

messy quickly.

Intermap, the client that ships with Geonetwork, uses the Web Mapping

Context standard for this, which will work well for different WFS/WMS

layers, but since it really isn’t possible at the moment (as far as I

know with DHIS) to make a WMS call directly for a particular layer

(similar to the REST interface of the OpenHealth prototype), I am not

exactly sure either how this would be done.

Anyway, just some musings…having point based mapping functionality

will be a great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland > janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

Ok, I will start working on this on Monday. It should be possible to display

these points on top o generated polygons as well.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Jason Pickering > > > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Sounds good to me. Will really look forward to seeing this in action.

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

So let’s go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator

group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it’s just a

matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to

be

transfered twice anyway.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering > > >> > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to

“normalize” the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in

DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data

to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do

not make sense. Sure, we could compare “Fully immunized childred” data

element to “Female population”, but of course this does not make sense

to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of

indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is

actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to

create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through

the data mart would be a great feature.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com > > >> >> wrote:

Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to

extend

this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels

(the

need

for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have

when

interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).

I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of

cases

compared to “semi-permanent” data in the form of type of health

facility

or

services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as

indicators,

but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring

data

to

see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that

we

can

also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only

display

indicators).

Knut

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering > > >> >> > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jan,

This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a

need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not

necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar

looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date)

with

monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular

month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say

“Bednet coverage rate” with “Malaria incidence rate”. These might

not

be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same

time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I

would

think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data

into

Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility

coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > >> >> >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of

two

different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select

those

two

indicators from the same indicator group and within the same

period

(GIS

GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different

group

and

period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan


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Hi All,

Does anyone have procedures for setting up a template excel file to import data? Additionally, is it possible to import data for more than one period at a time?

Thank you,
Paul Amendola

Hi Paul,
Could you please tell clear that how you want more than one period at a time? Mean the data values from 1 report have different periods, or you want to import data by selecting many periods in same time(which I think this function hasn’t supported yet)?

It’s better you should share the report template which you want to import. So that I can know if Import excel function is support, and if I may help you.

···

Thuy
HISP Vietnam
+84902079126

Thanks Jason and Johan for good input on this.

Jan: Do we need a geojson file for the facilities, or are you generating this on the fly from the coordinates in the DHIS organisationunit table?

You may generate orgunits at any level on the fly by setting the map source to “Database” as long as you have orgunit coordinates in your database. There is now GUI for coordinate input in DHIS.

Knut

Hi there. A couple of more issues that arise from this as well.

First, transparency. I am thinking that it would be nice, if possible,

to be able to adjust the level of transparency in addition to the

color scheme. This is a tricky issue, as transparent point symbols may

“bleed” into the colors underneath. This is the same for polygons,

which might be transparent so some degree, and bleed in with the

background image (such as a satellite image or other WMS background

layer). I am not really sure what the best way to handle this is. It

is easy to create really crappy looking maps unless this is managed

properly. I am not sure if you have considered this, or if it is even

possible.

It is definitely possible and transparency is already an option when you register overlays. Please go ahead and play with the overlays to see the result. As you say, they must be managed properly and the background is a problem.

Second, layer ordering. I can imagine we will start getting into a

situation where we will have to apply some sort of ordering to the

layers, similar to the functionality in most GIS systems. With all of

these layers (polygons, point symbols, background layers, and other

“static layers” such as roads, transportation, etc) it may get very

messy quickly.

I agree with this, I think layer ordering is a must.

···

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Jason Pickering jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Intermap, the client that ships with Geonetwork, uses the Web Mapping

Context standard for this, which will work well for different WFS/WMS

layers, but since it really isn’t possible at the moment (as far as I

know with DHIS) to make a WMS call directly for a particular layer

(similar to the REST interface of the OpenHealth prototype), I am not

exactly sure either how this would be done.

Anyway, just some musings…having point based mapping functionality

will be a great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

Ok, I will start working on this on Monday. It should be possible to display

these points on top o generated polygons as well.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Jason Pickering > > > > > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Sounds good to me. Will really look forward to seeing this in action.

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > > > >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

So let’s go for two completely unrelated indicators (different indicator

group and period) per facility? That will not be any harder, it’s just a

matter of GUI as datamart export (aggregatedindicatorvalue) will have to

be

transfered twice anyway.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jason Pickering > > > > >> > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

One of the functions in ArcGIS is the ability to use values to

“normalize” the data. This is essentially the same as an indicator in

DHIS.

I think we have to be careful about allowing sort of any and all data

to be visualized in anyway, which could lead to situtations that do

not make sense. Sure, we could compare “Fully immunized childred” data

element to “Female population”, but of course this does not make sense

to do so. I think keeping the visualization within the confines of

indicators is a good idea, as it allows more control over what is

actually available to display on the map. But, having the ability to

create indicators on the fly, without having to go necessarily through

the data mart would be a great feature.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com > > > > >> >> wrote:

Agree very much with Jason that it looks great! We also have plans to

extend

this with different types of symbols (not just circles) and labels

(the

need

for labels can be covered by popups on hovering which we already have

when

interactive, but may be needed especially for printing).

I would say that a very typical need would be to see the number of

cases

compared to “semi-permanent” data in the form of type of health

facility

or

services available. Some of that will naturally be definable as

indicators,

but not all, and this interface could even be helpful in exploring

data

to

see what kind of indicators would make sense to follow - given that

we

can

also display raw datavalues in this view (currently the GIS can only

display

indicators).

Knut

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jason Pickering > > > > >> >> > jason.p.pickering@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jan,

This looks quite advanced. I would say however that there would be a

need to display two completely unrelated indicators, but perhaps not

necessarily from different time periods. I produced a very similar

looking map in Tableau comparing data submission rates (to date)

with

monthly fully immunized children coverage indicator for a particular

month. I could imagine other cases when you want to compare say

“Bednet coverage rate” with “Malaria incidence rate”. These might

not

be in the same indicator group, and would likely not have the same

time period.

However, this seems to be somewhat outside of the 80% for what I

would

think the web based GIS would do. You might need to pull the data

into

Tableau or ArcGIS for this type of analysis. Displaying facility

coverage rates would be just fine (for now) for here anyway.

Looks great!

Best regards,

Jason

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jan Henrik Øverland > > > > >> >> >> janhenrik.overland@gmail.com wrote:

In the attached image, each point (facility) displays the value of

two

different indicators (color and size). Is it sufficient to select

those

two

indicators from the same indicator group and within the same

period

(GIS

GUI):

INDICATORS

Indicator group

Period

Indicator 1

Indicator 2

… or is there a need to display unrelated indicators (different

group

and

period):

INDICATOR 1

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

INDICATOR 2

Indicator group

Period

Indicator

Jan


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