Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
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Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
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Knut
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That’s correct - its used as basis for calculating the compulsory option under reports > reporting rates.
Lars
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
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Knut
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As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
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Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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So there is no compulsion at all
We should probably rename to Recommended…
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
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Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
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Knut
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There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
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Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
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+4791880522
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HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Yeah… why not?
Nayeem Al Mifthah
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onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
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Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Thanks Nayeem,
It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the BP list too much
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah… why not?
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HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Hi,
I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per data set, like “Make compulsory data elements required fields in form”.
Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form validation is a slightly different concern.
regards,
Lars
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Nayeem,
It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the BP list too much
Knut
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah… why not?
–
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Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Hi
Even anyone can’t complete a form which have a compulsory data element with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off.
The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to put it as a option per dataset?
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
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Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per data set, like “Make compulsory data elements required fields in form”.
Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form validation is a slightly different concern.
regards,
Lars
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Nayeem,
It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the BP list too much
Knut
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah… why not?
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Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley:
How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are “compulsory” when there is no asterisk or other indication of it?
Knut
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Even anyone can’t complete a form which have a compulsory data element with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off.
The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to put it as a option per dataset?
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per data set, like “Make compulsory data elements required fields in form”.
Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form validation is a slightly different concern.
regards,
Lars
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Nayeem,
It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the BP list too much
Knut
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah… why not?
–
Knut Staring
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Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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Yeah, Knut is clarify about our common interest.
I have a suggestion that, whenever a data element with numeric type made compulsory, it should save zero value. At least a suggestion box can appear.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley:
How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are “compulsory” when there is no asterisk or other indication of it?
Knut
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Even anyone can’t complete a form which have a compulsory data element with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off.
The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to put it as a option per dataset?
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Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland larshelge@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per data set, like “Make compulsory data elements required fields in form”.
Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form validation is a slightly different concern.
regards,
Lars
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Nayeem,
It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the BP list too much
Knut
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah… why not?
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a blueprint for it?
Thanks,
Knut
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
–
Knut Staring
Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
+4791880522
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the current implementation the form doesn’t even indicate (eg with an asterisk) which data should always be entered, even when 0.
It only shows up in validation.
On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, “Nayeem Al Mifthah” n.mifthah@gmail.com wrote:
As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element about zero ‘0’ value saving.
For other data types it is OK for use.
Nayeem Al Mifthah
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh
Email: n.mifthah@gmail.com*| nayeem@mis.dghs.gov.bd*
Cell:+8801914030574
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje busoye@hisp.org wrote:
It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative calculation for reporting rates.
This is my understanding. There might be other views.
Cheers
Busoye
On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring knutst@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I’m not clear on how to use them…
Thanks,
Knut
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+4791880522
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